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Kondisi: baik (bekas), Tahun pembuatan: 2007, Fungsionalitas: berfungsi sepenuhnya, Produsen DECKEL MAHO DMC 835V Tahun pembuatan 2007 Kontrol Siemens 840D / Shop Mill Cjdjyaywbopfx Ag Dsrb Perjalanan sumbu X 835 mm Perjalanan sumbu Y 510 mm Perjalanan sumbu Z 510 mm Kecepatan spindle 10.000 rpm Kecepatan pengumpanan Dapat diprogram hingga 15 m/menit – rapid traverse 30 m/menit Toleransi posisi 0,008 mm Majalah alat 30 posisi Pendingin internal dan konveyor serpihan Berat sekitar 6,5 t

Kondisi: bekas, Tahun pembuatan: 2003, X-travel 780 mm y-travel 560 mm z-travel 560 mm Tool holder SK40 Control HEIDENHAIN iTNC 530 Machine weight approx. 12.5 t Space requirement approx. 3.40 x 3.30 x 2.60 m DECKEL MAHO DMC 60T Year 2003 Operating hours: 32,532.7 Working area Travel/ X-axis: 780mm Y-axis: 560mm Z-axis: 560mm The machine DMC 60T (1659) is in very good condition and is ideal for precise milling operations thanks to its high-performance motor spindles, high feed rates, and a flexible tool magazine. All technical details are listed below. Work tables NC rotary table - clamping surface, pallet: diameter 500 x 630 mm Centering bore: diameter 50^H6 20 mm deep Locating bore: diameter 20^H6 20 mm deep Torque on the table plate at: - 100% duty cycle: 1603 Nm - 25% duty cycle: 2813 Nm Max. rotation of table plate: 30 rpm Feed rate: 7200 mm/min Permissible table load: 400 kg Tool magazine with magazine SK 40 Feed drive AC servomotors in digital technology for axes X, Y, Z Feed rate X, Y, Z-axis steplessly programmable: 20-15,000 mm/min Csdpfowm Rrwex Ag Derb Rapid traverse X, Y, Z-axis: 50 mm/min Setup mode X, Y, Z-axis: 20-2,000 mm/min Measuring system Resolution | X, Y, Z-axis: 0.001 mm Input unit | X, Y, Z-axis: 0.001 mm Position tolerance | X, Y, Z-axis: 0.010 mm Main drive 12,000 rpm: motor spindle without gearbox Main drive 18,000 rpm: motor spindle without gearbox Spindle speed Steplessly programmable: 20-24,000 rpm In setup mode: 20-800 rpm Weight Machine with tool changer and transport base: approx. 10,100 kg Installation weight Machine with fixed table and tool changer: max. 11,500 kg Total weight incl. belt filter unit: 12,400 kg Dimensions Machine: 3.40 x 3.30 x 2.60 m Chip conveyor: 2.77 x 1.00 x 2.07 m Belt filter unit 900 l: 2.22 x 1.40 x 2.20 m

Kondisi: sangat baik (bekas), Tahun pembuatan: 1999, Fungsionalitas: berfungsi sepenuhnya, Vertical Machining Center / Manufacturer: DECKEL MAHO / Model: DMC 63V / Year of manufacture: 1999 The machine can be inspected under power and cutting operation by appointment. Well-maintained, very well-preserved, fully operational condition. Spindle replacement: 18.03.2022 Spindle hours (as of 13.03.2025): 51,206 h The machine is equipped with a Lehmann A-axis and counter bearing (as new). TECHNICAL DATA: Working area: - X-axis: 630 mm - Y-axis: 500 mm - Z-axis: 500 mm Feed drive/axis motors: - Feed force X, Y, Z (100% duty cycle): 6,000 N - Feed speed: 0 - 30,000 mm/min - Rapid traverse X, Y, Z: 30 m/min - Ball screw diameter/pitch (X, Y, Z): 40/20 mm Positioning accuracy: - Pmax on X, Y, Z-axis according to VDI/DGQ 3441: 0.015/0.010 mm (indirect/direct measuring system) Measuring system: - Input increment: 0.001 mm Work spindle: - Drive output (40/100% duty cycle): 13/9 kW - Torque (40/100% duty cycle): 83/57 Nm - Speed range: 1 - 10,000 rpm - Tool holder DIN 69 871-A: SK40 - Tool clamping force: 12,000 N Tool magazine/changer: - Tool change system: Pick-up - Number of magazine stations: 24 positions - Max. tool diameter with adjacent free stations: 80/140 mm - Max. tool length: 300 mm - Max. tool weight: 7 kg - Chip-to-chip time: 6.5 sec - Magazine rotation speed: 47 rpm - Max. magazine load (24 x 3 kg): 72 kg Machine table: - Clamping surface with T-slots DIN 650-14: 800 x 500 mm - Table load (setup weight): 500 kg - Loading height: 850 mm - Max. workpiece height (with max. tool length): 240 mm EQUIPMENT: - CNC control: Siemens 810D powerline - Lehmann A-axis and counter bearing (as new) - Direct measuring system - Through-spindle coolant, 15 bar - Coolant unit (emulsion) - Electronic handwheel - Chip conveyor - Documentation - CE certification Cjdpov Nxbysfx Ag Derb No guarantee for completeness and correctness of technical data and equipment. - Subject to prior sale -

Kondisi: bekas, Tahun pembuatan: 2007, 358288dd Cedpfeyaci Hsx Ag Derb

Kondisi: bekas, Tahun pembuatan: 2007, Kecepatan putar 8000 rpm Berat 5500 kg Tahun pembuatan 2007 Kontrol Siemens 840D Dimensi (Panjang/Lebar/Tinggi) 3600 x 2800 x 2400 mm Perjalanan sumbu-x 1035 mm Perjalanan sumbu-y 560 mm Perjalanan sumbu-z 510 mm Lebih banyak gambar tersedia Crsdewm Rqaopfx Ag Dob

Tahun pembuatan: 2006, Kondisi: siap digunakan (bekas), Travel paths X/Y/Z: 885mm/600mm/600mm, rotary axes B/C: -10° to 110°/360°, rapid traverse X/Y/Z: 90m/min, spindle speed: 28,000 rpm. Table dimensions X/Y: 950mm/650mm, control: iTNC 530, operating hours: 90,711 h, spindle hours: 19,457 h. Includes workpiece touch probe, tool changer with 100 positions. Crodpfx Agjta H S Sj Djb

Tahun pembuatan: 2006, Kondisi: siap digunakan (bekas), Travel X/Y/Z: 1050mm/800mm/560mm, C-axis: 360°, spindle head swivel range: -10°/110°, speed: 18,000 rpm, spindle power: 25kW/35kW, table diameter: 950mm, maximum table load: 800kg, max. workpiece height: 500mm. Tool stations: 30, tool holder: HSK A 63, max. tool diameter: 80mm/130mm, max. tool length: 250mm, rapid traverse: 90m/min, feed rate: 20m/min. Control: Heidenhain iTNC 530, operating hours: 113,894 h, spindle hours: 13,349 h. Includes chip conveyor, internal coolant supply (IKZ), linear scale, Blum laser and probe. Documentation available. On-site inspection possible. Credjv H Dgcopfx Ag Djb

Tahun pembuatan: 2006, Kondisi: siap digunakan (bekas), Translation: Travel X/Y/Z: 835mm/510mm/510mm, spindle speed: 12,000 rpm, spindle power: 14kW, table size X/Y: 1000mm/560mm, table load capacity: 800kg, max. workpiece height: 720mm. Tool stations: 20, tool holder: SK40, max. tool diameter: 80mm/130mm, max. tool length: 250mm, rapid traverse: 30m/min, feed rate: 20m/min. Machine dimensions X/Y/Z: approx. 3500mm/3500mm/2700mm, weight: approx. 4500kg, control: Heidenhain iTNC 530, operating hours: 112,962h, spindle hours: 30,702h. Includes chip conveyor, internal coolant supply (IKZ), linear scale measuring system. Documentation available. Inspection on site is possible. Cjdpfxev H Dgps Ag Dsrb

Kondisi: siap digunakan (bekas), Traverse path X/Y/Z: 1000mm/600mm/600mm, feed rate: 30m/min, rapid traverse: 30m/min, table dimensions X/Y: approx. 1200mm/600mm, max. table load: 800kg, tool stations: 24, tool holder: SK40, spindle speed: 8000rpm. Machine dimensions X/Y/Z: approx. 3000mm/3500mm/3000mm, weight: approx. 5000kg, operating hours: approx. 10,346h, spindle hours: approx. 10,346h. Includes a compact filter system Interlit SUK 200/550, year of manufacture: 2000. The machine is equipped with a new control system. Documentation is available. On-site inspection is possible. Crsdpfx Aow Dut Hog Djb

Kondisi: siap digunakan (bekas), Tahun pembuatan: 2002, Verfahrweg_XYZ_630mm_630mm_560mm_Toolholder_HSK-63A_HU Crodpfxow Nq Rqj Ag Djb

Tahun pembuatan: 2008, Kondisi: siap digunakan (bekas), Travel X/Y/Z: 1050mm/800mm/560mm, C-axis: 360°, Spindle head swivel range: -10°/110°, Spindle speed: 18,000 rpm, Spindle power: 25kW/35kW, Table diameter: 950mm, Table load capacity: 800kg, Max. workpiece height: 500mm. Tool stations: 30, Tool holder: HSK A 63, Max. tool diameter: 80mm/130mm, Max. tool length: 250mm, Rapid traverse: 90m/min, Feed rate: 20m/min. Control: Heidenhain iTNC 530, Operating hours: 117,490h, Spindle hours: 18,086h. Including chip conveyor, high-pressure coolant system (IKZ), linear measuring system, Blum laser and probe. Documentation available. On-site inspection possible. Cedpfx Aev H Dgiog Dorb

Kondisi: bekas, Tahun pembuatan: 2007, dmc1035specs Credpfjx R Em Rox Ag Dob

Kondisi: bekas, Tahun pembuatan: 2011, tech-de-hu-001 Crsdpfxjx R Em Dj Ag Djb

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Kondisi: siap digunakan (bekas), Tahun pembuatan: 2006, nomor mesin/kendaraan: 29110004034, Fungsionalitas: berfungsi sepenuhnya, jam operasional: 9.442 h, jarak pergerakan sumbu X: 1.040 mm, jarak lintasan sumbu Y: 600 mm, jarak gerak sumbu Z: 500 mm, jumlah slot dalam magazin alat: 30, kecepatan spindel (maks.): 12.000 rpm, TECHNICAL DETAILS Control: Siemens 810D Powerline Table size: 1,250 x 600 mm X-axis travel: 1,040 mm Y-axis travel: 600 mm Z-axis travel: 500 mm Spindle & Tool Holder Tool holder: SK 40 Spindle speeds: 1 - 12,000 rpm Spindle drive: 13 kW / 19 kW (100% / 40% duty cycle) Tool changer: 30 positions MACHINE DETAILS Spindle hours: 9,442 h Power-on time: 32,189 h EQUIPMENT Crsdpfxswa Tmwe Ag Djb - Linear drive on the X-axis for more precise movements - Bed flushing for cleaning the work area - Spiral chip conveyor for efficient chip removal - Direct linear measuring system for accurate position feedback - Z-axis temperature compensation via temperature sensor with active cooling unit - Blown air from outside via two pipes for chip removal

Kondisi: siap digunakan (bekas), Tahun pembuatan: 2002, jam operasional: 38.040 h, Fungsionalitas: berfungsi sepenuhnya, jarak pergerakan sumbu X: 1.040 mm, jarak lintasan sumbu Y: 600 mm, jarak gerak sumbu Z: 500 mm, kecepatan rotasi (maks.): 12.000 rpm, jumlah slot dalam magazin alat: 30, RINCIAN TEKNIS Kontrol CNC: Heidenhain iTNC530 Sumbu X: 1.040 mm Sumbu Y: 600 mm Sumbu Z: 500 mm Penggerak linear: pada sumbu X Meja kerja Dimensi: 1.250 mm x 600 mm Bobot benda kerja maks.: 800 kg Spindel Jam operasi spindel: 38.040 jam Kecepatan spindel: 12.000 rpm Sistem alat potong Tipe kerucut: SK-40 Kapasitas majalah alat: 30 Diameter alat: 100 mm Diameter alat maks. dengan slot kosong: 140 mm Cjdpfx Agjxal Rxo Derb Panjang alat maks.: 300 mm Berat alat maks.: 7 kg DETAIL MESIN Panjang: 3.750 mm Lebar: 2.340 mm Tinggi: 3.164 mm Berat: 8.900 kg PERLENGKAPAN - Sistem pengukuran langsung - Pengukuran alat laser Blum, pengukuran panjang dan diameter alat - Konveyor serpihan - Pembersihan tempat tidur - Pegangan tangan elektronik

Kondisi: bekas, Tahun pembuatan: 2001, DECKEL MAHO CNC Vertikales Bearbeitungszentrum Typ DMC 63 V Baujahr 2001, Seriennr. 288500177xx _____ Arbeitsbereich: Cjdpot Ii Iwjfx Ag Djrb Längsverfahrweg X-Achse: 630 mm Quer-Verfahrweg Y-Achse: 500 mm Vertikal-Verfahrweg Z-Achse: 500 mm Aufspannfläche: 800 x 500 mm Maximale Tischbelastung: 500 kg Abstand Tisch – Spindel, min./max.: 150 / 650 mm Werkzeugaufnahme: SK 40 Stufenlose Spindeldrehzahlen: 8.000 U/min Vorschübe X/Y/Z-Achse: 0 - 30.000 mm/min Spindelantriebsleistung: 9 / 13 kW Gesamtanschlussleistung ca.: 17 kW, 400 V, 50 Hz Gewicht ca.: 4.500 kg Zubehör / Sonderausstattung: • SIEMENS 810 D CNC-Steuerung in 3 Achsen mit ShopMill Bedien- und Programmier-Software; enthält alle gängigen Optionen, Zyklen und Unterprogramme, inklusive grafischer Werkstattprogrammierung • Mobiles elektronisches Handrad • 24-fach Werkzeug-Tellermagazin, max. Werkzeugdurchmesser 80/140 mm x max. Länge 300 mm • Innere Kühlmittelzuführung durch die Spindel, 15 bar mit entsprechender Filtereinrichtung an der Kühlmittelanlage • Vollständige Arbeitsraum-Umhausung mit Schiebetüren, VISIPORT Klarsicht-Drehfenster, Ölnebelabsaugung, komplette Kühlmittelfilteranlage mit Späneförderer Nur 3.216 Betriebsstunden, die Maschine war ausschließlich im Ausbildungszentrum im Einsatz! Zustand: sehr gut, aus Ausbildungswerkstatt Weitere Informationen/Videolink: geiger-germany.com/images/videos/DMG-DMC63V/DMC63V-1.mp4 Lieferung: ab Lager, sofort verfügbar, FCA Metzingen Zahlung: rein netto – nach Rechnungserhalt Laufend Auswahl an CNC-Bearbeitungszentren am Lager – bitte fragen Sie auch nach Alternativen!

Kondisi: bekas, Tahun pembuatan: 2005, x-travel 750 mm y-travel 560 mm z-travel 600 mm Control HEIDENHAIN iTNC 530 Total power requirement 70 kW Machine weight approx. 11,000 kg Space requirement approx. m DECKEL MAHO Vertical Machining Center with linear drive technology and portal construction for highest precision, Model DMC 75 V linear Year of manufacture: 2005 # 27 298 48 Crjdot Hw Tropfx Ag Dob Working area: Longitudinal travel X-axis 750 mm Vertical travel Z-axis 600 mm Cross travel Y-axis 560 mm Clamping surface 950 x 650 mm Max. table load approx. 1,000 kg Workpiece height (portal opening) max. approx. 610 mm Tool holder HSK 63 Spindle speeds 18,000 rpm Max. torque 86/130 Nm Spindle acceleration/braking time 3.2 s Rapid traverse/feed rate X/Y/Z-axis max. 90,000 mm/min Feed force XY / Z 11,000 / 9,500 N Axis acceleration X/Y/Z 15 / 12 / 18 m/s² Spindle drive power S1/S6 25/35 kW Total drive approx. 70 kW - 400 V - 50 Hz Weight approx. 11,000 kg Accessories / Special equipment: This machine type is a high-precision vertical machining center in an exceptionally rigid portal design with high axis speeds via linear drives. • HEIDENHAIN 3-axis CNC control model iTNC 530 with all common options, cycles and subprograms, control cabinet attached. • 30-position disc-type tool magazine (max. tool Ø 100/140/200 mm x max. length 300 mm, max. tool weight 10 kg, tool-to-tool time 6 s, with tool breakage monitoring) • BLUM receiver for RENISHAW touch probe, but no touch probe supplied • KESSLER spindle with spindle cooling, separate cooling unit for linear drives • KNOLL coolant system and scraper-type chip conveyor and pump • Fully enclosed work area with 2 sliding doors, table easy to load, with rotational window. Spindle operating hours approx. 23,000 h Presumably without ICS (internal coolant supply) Condition: Very good - ready for demonstration shortly. Delivery: Immediately available, ex stock Payment: strictly net - upon receipt of invoice

Kondisi: bekas, Tahun pembuatan: 1995, Travel X: 600 mm Travel Y: 560 mm Travel Z: 560 mm Control: SIEMENS 840 C Total power requirement: 12 kW Machine weight approx. 10,000 kg Space requirements approx. m DECKEL MAHO Horizontal 4-axis CNC machining center with pallet changer Model: DMC 60 H Year of manufacture: 1995 Serial No. 102 (6004 50 019602 00) ----- Working area: Cross travel (X-axis): 600 mm Vertical travel (Y-axis): 560 mm Longitudinal travel (Z-axis): 560 mm Cjdpst Hw R Rsfx Ag Dsrb Rotary table as B-axis: 360,000° Pallet size: 500 x 400 mm Max. table load: 400 kg Max. table rotation speed: 25 m/min Tool holder: SK40 Spindle speed, stepless: 20 – 15,000 rpm Feed rates / rapid traverse max.: 20 m/min / 40 m/min AC main drive approx.: 12/20 kW (?)* Total drive approx.: 40 kW – 400 V – 50 Hz Weight approx.: 10,000 kg Accessories / Special equipment: • SIEMENS 4-axis path control type 840 C with monitor and appropriate subprograms • Automatic workpiece pallet changer with separating plate between work area and setup station with two rotary doors on the front, two pallets on the machine, possibly one separate pallet additionally • RENISHAW workpiece measuring device, but without probe • BLUM drill breakage control mounted laterally on the table • CNC-controlled B-axis for the worktable with 360,000° resolution, rotation speed 25/min • Automatic tool changer with 40 tool positions mounted on the left side, for tools up to diameter Ø 100 mm, max. length 315 mm, weight approx. 8 kg • Free-standing coolant unit (IKZ) by KNOLL, type RF 200/1100, with cyclone filter and belt filter in conjunction with a hinged belt chip conveyor with submersible pump • Modern round machine enclosure with sliding door opening and ROTO Clear window, etc. Condition: good – demonstration available soon Delivery: immediately ex stock Payment: strictly net – upon receipt of invoice * Original text notes uncertainty on main drive power (12/20 kW).

Kondisi: siap digunakan (bekas), Tahun pembuatan: 2003, Fungsionalitas: berfungsi sepenuhnya, jarak pergerakan sumbu X: 1.040 mm, jarak lintasan sumbu Y: 600 mm, jarak gerak sumbu Z: 500 mm, kecepatan rotasi (maks.): 12.000 rpm, jumlah slot dalam magazin alat: 30, TECHNICAL DETAILS Travel X: 1,040 mm Travel Y: 600 mm Travel Z: 500 mm Spindle speed: 12,000 rpm Spindle taper: SK 40 Tool magazine: 30 positions Internal coolant supply: 40 bar Clamping surface: 1,250 x 600 mm Crodpfx Aswtrb Hog Dob Maximum table load: 800 kg EQUIPMENT - Chip conveyor - Spindle cooler - ICS (internal coolant supply) - Tool measurement - Documentation

Kondisi: siap digunakan (bekas), Tahun pembuatan: 2002, jam operasional: 23.838 h, Fungsionalitas: berfungsi sepenuhnya, jarak pergerakan sumbu X: 640 mm, jarak lintasan sumbu Y: 600 mm, jarak gerak sumbu Z: 500 mm, berat benda kerja (maks.): 600 kg, kecepatan rotasi (maks.): 12.000 rpm, TECHNICAL DETAILS X-axis travel: 640 mm Y-axis travel: 600 mm Z-axis travel: 500 mm Control system: Heidenhain iTNC 530 External length: 850 mm External width: 630 mm Max. table load: 600 kg Spindle speed range: 12,000 rpm Tool holder: SK 40 Crsdswtq Rgopfx Ag Djb MACHINE DETAILS Power-on hours: 107,000 h Spindle hours: 23,838 h

Kondisi: siap digunakan (bekas), Tahun pembuatan: 2008, jam operasional: 37.826 h, Fungsionalitas: berfungsi sepenuhnya, nomor mesin/kendaraan: 29100008944, jarak pergerakan sumbu X: 640 mm, jarak lintasan sumbu Y: 600 mm, jarak gerak sumbu Z: 500 mm, berat benda kerja (maks.): 600 kg, lebar meja: 850 mm, panjang meja: 630 mm, TECHNICAL DETAILS Traverse path X-axis: 640 mm Traverse path Y-axis: 600 mm Csdpfxewtq Rmj Ag Dsrb Traverse path Z-axis: 500 mm Table size: 850 x 630 mm Maximum table load: 600 kg Spindle taper: SK 40 MACHINE DETAILS Control: FANUC Connected load: 39 kVA Power-on hours: 75,884 h Spindle hours: 37,826 h

Kondisi: siap digunakan (bekas), Tahun pembuatan: 2000, Fungsionalitas: berfungsi sepenuhnya, jarak pergerakan sumbu X: 800 mm, jarak lintasan sumbu Y: 700 mm, jarak gerak sumbu Z: 600 mm, kecepatan spindel (maks.): 12.000 rpm, New spindle in 2023 TECHNICAL DETAILS X-axis travel: 800 mm Y-axis travel: 700 mm Z-axis travel: 600 mm Table size: 800 x 635 mm Control: Heidenhain Cedewtq Swepfx Ag Derb Spindle speed: 0 - 12,000 rpm Spindle drive power: 10.0 kW Tool holder: ISO 40 MACHINE DETAILS Approx. machine weight: 11 tons Connected load: 44 kVA Maximum current: 64 A

Kondisi: siap digunakan (bekas), Tahun pembuatan: 1999, Fungsionalitas: berfungsi sepenuhnya, jarak pergerakan sumbu X: 600 mm, jarak lintasan sumbu Y: 560 mm, jarak gerak sumbu Z: 560 mm, berat benda kerja (maks.): 600 kg, sudut putar poros C (maks.): 360 °, Perlengkapan: dokumentasi / manual, TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS X-axis: 600 mm Y-axis: 560 mm Z-axis: 560 mm C-axis: 360° Crodpfowtq S Rsx Ag Dob Control system: Siemens Number of pallets: 2 Pallet size: 400 x 500 mm Permissible pallet load: 600 kg MACHINE DETAILS Weight: 10,500 kg

Kondisi: bekas, Tahun pembuatan: 2007, Travel X-axis: 885 mm Travel Y-axis: 600 mm Travel Z-axis: 600 mm Control: iTNC 530 Heidenhain Max. spindle speed: 1 - 28,000 rpm Main spindle drive power: 35 / 25 kW Max. torque: 119 / 85 Nm Tool holder: HSK A63 Swivel range milling spindle B-axis: -10° / +110° Spindle bearing diameter: 80 mm Table diameter: 750 mm C-axis rotary range: 360° Max. rotary speed: 100 rpm Max. table load: 600 kg Feed rate: 1 - 90,000 mm/min Rapid traverse: 90 m/min Feed force X/Y: 13.8 kN Feed force Z: 10.35 kN Number of tool stations: 30 pos. Max. tool diameter: 80 mm Max. tool diameter with free adjacent station: 140 mm Max. tool length: 300 mm Max. tool weight: 10 kg Max. workpiece height: 460 mm Max. workpiece area: approx. 750 x 600 mm Max. clearance height: 600 mm Total connected load: 60 kVA Machine weight: approx. 12 t Floor space required: approx. 4.5 x 4.5 x 3.0 m CNC Machining Centre Vertical DECKEL MAHO – DMC 75 V linear - 5-axis machining Crjdpotqmpijfx Ag Djb - NEW SPINDLE in 12/2022! - Swivel milling spindle (-10° / +110°) - Rotary table 360° - Extensive tool package - Only approx. 900 spindle hours (after spindle replacement) - WITHOUT clamping devices, WITHOUT extraction system!