Beli Lorch V 30 bekas (23)

Kondisi: seperti baru (mesin pameran), masa garansi: 12 bulan, jenis pendinginan: air, panjang paket selang: 8.000 mm, sekring listrik: 32 A, Tersertifikasi DGUV hingga: 02/2027, tebal plat aluminium (maks.): 10 mm, 1 Ijdpfjyhpldox Ag Rotd

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Kondisi: sangat baik (bekas), Fungsionalitas: berfungsi sepenuhnya, High-Precision Lead and Feed Screw Lathe Model B30 LZS with Accessory Cabinet, 3-Axis Digital Readout by Fagor, from University Use Technical Data: >> Centre Height: 120 mm >> Distance Between Centres: 560 mm >> Spindle Bore: 30 mm >> Max. Swing Diameter: 250 mm >> Longitudinal and Cross Feeds >> Thread Cutting: Metric, Module, Inch >> Infinitely Variable Spindle Speeds: 30–3000 rpm Ijdpjxyh Ndjfx Ag Rstd Accessories: 3-axis digital readout by Fagor Tool cabinet including: >> 3-jaw chuck >> 4-jaw chuck >> Tool holder >> Drill chuck; live centre >> Collet chuck system with collets >> Steady and follower rest >> Machine mounts >> and much more About the Machine: We offer a Lorch high-precision lead and feed screw lathe in very good condition. The machine is, of course, fully functional. All slides move smoothly and uniformly. At high spindle speeds, the Lorch also runs quietly. The machine is equipped with a 3-axis digital readout from Fagor and comes with a wide range of accessories. It was previously installed in a university setting. Take advantage of the opportunity to inspect the machine under power on site and see its excellent condition for yourself.

Kondisi: belum diuji (bekas), Fungsionalitas: belum diuji, nomor mesin/kendaraan: 0704-2151-0001-1, tinggi total: 1.000 mm, lebar total: 500 mm, panjang total: 900 mm, berat keseluruhan: 300 kg, Tidak ada harga minimum - penjualan dijamin kepada penawar tertinggi! Isdpeym Tcksfx Ag Rstd Pengajuan penawaran mengikat untuk pengambilan tepat waktu, baik antara 11.05.2026 dan 13.05.2026 atau antara 18.05.2026 dan 21.05.2026! RINCIAN MESIN Dimensi & Berat Dimensi (P x L x T): 900 x 500 x 1.000 mm Berat: 300 kg Referensi eksternal: CES - Lot 92

Kondisi: hampir baru (bekas), Tahun pembuatan: 2024, Fungsionalitas: berfungsi sepenuhnya, jenis arus masuk: tiga fasa, tinggi total: 755 mm, lebar total: 400 mm, panjang total: 880 mm, tegangan masuk: 400 V, panjang kabel grounding: 4.000 mm, berat keseluruhan: 60 kg, jenis pendinginan: air, panjang paket selang: 4.000 mm, sekring listrik: 16 A, tegangan rangkaian terbuka: 87 V, arus pengelasan pada siklus kerja 60%: 200 A, arus pengelasan pada siklus tugas 100%: 170 A, arus masuk: 16 A, jenis perlindungan (kode IP): IP23, arus pengelasan (min.): 5 A, arus pengelasan (maks.): 300 A, Perlengkapan: Pelat tipe tersedia, dokumentasi / manual, Demo unit, year of manufacture 2024 Including TIG torch i-LTW 3000-PM, 4 m. TIG Welding Welding range 3~ 400 V [A]: 5 - 300 Voltage range [V]: 10.2 - 20 TIG Duty cycle AC, 400 V Duty cycle AC 100% (40°C) [A]: 200 Duty cycle AC 60% (40°C) [A]: 230 Duty cycle AC at max. welding current (40°C) [%]: 30 TIG Duty cycle DC, 400 V Duty cycle DC 100% (40°C) [A]: 230 Duty cycle DC 60% (40°C) [A]: 270 Duty cycle DC at max. welding current (40°C) [%]: 45 Manual electrode welding Welding range 400 V [A]: 10 - 200 Voltage range [V]: 20.4 - 28 Weldable electrodes [Ø in mm]: 1.5 - 5 Electrode Duty cycle Duty cycle 100% (40°C) [A]: 170 Duty cycle 60% [A]: 200 Duty cycle at max. welding current (40°C) [%]: 60 General technical data Open circuit voltage [V]: 77 - 87 Mains 400 V Mains voltage 3~ (50/60 Hz) [V]: 400 Line protection 3~ (50/60 Hz) [A]: 16 Positive mains tolerance 3~ (50/60 Hz) [%]: 15 Negative mains tolerance 3~ (50/60 Hz) [%]: 15 Mains plug Mains plug: CEE 16 Standards and approvals Protection class: IP23S Insulation class: F Standard: EN 60974-01 Marking/Certification: CE, S Cooling type Cooling type: Gas-cooled, water-cooled Cooling Nominal cooling capacity (l/min) [kW]: 1.14 Tank capacity [l]: 3.4 Dimensions (L x W x H) Isdpfxeyrttye Ag Rjtd Dimensions (LxWxH) [mm]: 880 × 400 × 755 Weights Weight [kg]: 60

Kondisi: sangat baik (bekas), Tahun pembuatan: 1970, Panjang putar 300 mm Berat mesin sekitar 0,4 t DESKRIPSI MENYUSUL! Itsdpfxexmahls Ag Rsd

Kondisi: siap digunakan (bekas), Control range: 30 - 300 A Iodpfxjwvixuj Ag Rjtd Max. welding current at 60% duty cycle: 240 A Max. welding current at 100% duty cycle: 180 A Electrical connection: 400 V, kW Required space: 1050 x 450 x 810 mm Weight: 132 kg

Kondisi: bekas, Mesin las LORCH ini, Tipe: S5 Speed Pulse, akan dilelang secara online di lelang industri/mesin kami Lembaga Pendidikan – Kami Membuka Ruang untuk yang Baru! (Tanpa bukti PPN). Itodpfx Aeyuwi Dog Red

Kondisi: bekas, Mesin pembuat ulir LORCH, SCHMIDT & Co Tinggi pusat: 200 mm Jarak antara pusat: 400 mm Ijdpfx Agoxf Uwxs Retd Kecepatan putar spindle: 56 rpm Diameter chuck: 160 mm Perjalanan tailstock: 45 mm Kerucut dalam tailstock: MK2 Daya motor: 0,25 HP Sambungan listrik: 380 Volt, 50 Hz - Putaran kanan dan kiri - Chuck 3 rahang - Penggerak spindle melalui motor gearbox - Tanpa lubang spindle tembus - Tailstock dengan pinol tuas - Chuck bor MAS 1 hingga 16 mm Kebutuhan ruang P x L x T: 1200 x 500 x 420 mm Berat: 80 kg Kondisi baik

Kondisi: seperti baru (mesin pameran), Lorch rotary table TURN 50 with tailstock and control unit Isdpei Dtqfefx Ag Retd

Kondisi: seperti baru (mesin pameran), Tahun pembuatan: 2022, Fungsionalitas: berfungsi sepenuhnya, Perlengkapan: dokumentasi / manual, Cobot Welding Package-UR10e-1-S5-B-1m, (Full-Feature) MIG-MAG System Description: Welding package with Cobot UR10e S5-RoboMIG XT featuring full-process configuration, ARC TIME OF THE POWER SOURCE = 12 MINUTES Iodpfxsykmnns Ag Rstd Wire feed and operation in a separate feed case, 1 m intermediate hose package, LMR 450 W torch. Includes full-feature scope, consisting of a full license for the complete features of the Cobotronic software and multifunction capability. Complete package includes: 1 pc S5-RoboMIG XT Cobot B 1 pc intermediate water-cooled hose package, 70 mm², 1 m 1 pc UR10e Cobot MIGMAG LMR450 1 year warranty 1 pc function button with emergency stop 1 pc cable entry for UR control (set) 1 pc balancer 1-2kg 1 pc magnetic safety area sheet for Cobot, 300 mm 1 pc Cobot torch hose package LMR-W (3.5 m) including torch neck nut 1 pc torch holder LMR (22.5°) UR Low-interference-arm design for optimal component accessibility (HRC-optimized) 1 pc MIG-MAG torch neck LMR 450 W (22.5°) MIG-MAG robotic high-performance torch neck, water-cooled with dual-circuit cooling system 1 pc initial equipment set LMR 450 W 1 pr Cobot gloves size 10 1 pc workpiece cable with screw clamp (MS), 70 mm², 5 m 1 pc drum spool adapter K 300 1 pc jib arm (table mounting LM16/28) 1 pc cable holder for hose package (Ø 37-50 mm) 1 pc table marking tape, 30mm x 33m, blue 1 pc MIG-MAG Cobot multi-function flange UR10e with control button for FreeDrive activation and 3 freely assignable function buttons (e.g. for wire forward/reverse, tack welding, ...) 1 pc UR10e complete mounting plate 1 pc UR10e cable insulation 1 pc Cobotronic MIG/MAG full dongle Cobot process MIG Individual licenses: Assistant + Quickpoints Individual license: Seamtracking Individual license: SmartCopy Individual license: Weaving Quality assurance: 100% function test 1 pc Lorch Connect Gateway / LCG 2.1 WiFi / LAN gateway for integration with the digital Lorch Connect Portal. 10 pcs cable ties, 4.5x290 black 1 pc safety over-glasses Saturn blue/clear 1 pc Cobot Welding Package doc/software (USB) 1 pc documentation set E-Series MIG-MAG (DE) Including: 1 pc Siegmund Professional 750 welding table 2400x1200x200 plasma-nitrided, basic foot equipment 650 4 pcs surcharge for swivel castors with parking brake, table height 850 mm

Kondisi: diremajakan ulang (bekas), Tahun pembuatan: 2015, Fungsionalitas: berfungsi sepenuhnya, masa garansi: 3 bulan, jenis pendinginan: air, panjang paket selang: 4.000 mm, arus pengelasan pada siklus kerja 60%: 300 A, arus pengelasan pada siklus tugas 100%: 250 A, arus pengelasan (min.): 25 A, arus pengelasan (maks.): 350 A, lorch-micormig-350-synergic-mig-mag-wassergekuhlt Ijdpeyi Udbsfx Ag Rstd

Kondisi: siap digunakan (bekas), Tahun pembuatan: 2020, An automatic Lorch welding machine, including vacuum pump and lifting beam, is available. Power supply: 230V, Power: 100W, Minimum material thickness: 5mm, Tensile force vertical/horizontal: 150N/350N, Speed vertical/horizontal: 1100mm/min / 1200mm/min, Machine dimensions X/Y/Z: approx. 450mm / 670mm / 370mm, Weight: approx. 25kg. Documentation available. On-site inspection possible. Iodpsv Rfq Defx Ag Rstd

Kondisi: hampir baru (bekas), Tahun pembuatan: 2019, Meja penanda Itodpfx Aoyhy Hvjg Rod

Kondisi: seperti baru (mesin pameran), jenis arus masuk: AC (pendingin udara), masa garansi: 6 bulan, jenis pendinginan: air, Process-controlled industrial welding machine with 4-roller wire feed motor, ideal for processing low-alloyed, high-alloyed materials, and aluminium using TWIN-Pulse and MIG brazing technologies. Features a separate wire feeder housed in a portable case. Highly efficient—up to 30% faster than conventional systems, with minimal to no spatter formation. Easy handling, improved visibility in the root zone, and deeper penetration due to increased plasma pressure. Incorporates the innovative SPEEDPULS process for high-speed pulsed arcs while maintaining top quality. Equipped with a Euro connection for operating liquid-cooled torches. Technical Data: Itodpfx Aoyhpkmeg Rjd Cooling type: Liquid-cooled Mains voltage: 400 V +/- 15% Connected load: 14.3 kVA Fuse protection: 32 A Adjustment range: 25 – 400 Amps Duty cycle: 60% – 350/400 A at 40°C/25°C 100% – 320/350 A at 40°C/25°C Wire feed speed: 0.1 – 25 m/min Wire diameter (Steel): 0.6 – 1.2 mm Wire diameter (Aluminium): 0.6 – 1.6 mm Protection class: IP23 Weight: approx. 127 kg Scope of delivery: Mains cable + CCE 32A plug, operating instructions, ZWP 10m

Tahun pembuatan: 2000, Kondisi: bekas, Amperage 29.5 Protection class P 31 Factory No. 812122 Frequency 50 Hz Weight 300 kg Removable upper section Ijdpfx Agjvu Hk He Rjtd

Kondisi: baru, We are an official Lorch Cobot partner and will be happy to advise you on all aspects of automation. Challenge us with your tasks, bring your components to a joint appointment, and we will design a tailored automation solution for you. Ijdpoguqnzofx Ag Rjtd The all-inclusive package for automating small and medium batch production. With the Lorch Cobot Welding Package, you receive not only a collaborative robot, but everything you need to strengthen your team: enhanced by our innovative welding technology, combined with our intuitive operating software, and complemented by our comprehensive service offerings, the Lorch Cobot Welding Package is the all-in-one, worry-free solution for welding automation in small and medium-sized enterprises.

Kondisi: siap digunakan (bekas), Tahun pembuatan: 2012, Fungsionalitas: berfungsi sepenuhnya, nomor mesin/kendaraan: 0119-2207-0001-7, kapasitas angkut: 100 kg, tinggi total: 1.500 mm, panjang total: 1.200 mm, lebar total: 600 mm, jenis arus masuk: AC (pendingin udara), diameter meja putar: 300 mm, berat keseluruhan: 300 kg, jenis penyesuaian ketinggian: mekanis, beban meja: 100 kg, rentang pivot: 90 °, diameter cakram: 300 mm, tinggi produk (maks.): 1.500 mm, arus pengelasan (maks.): 400 A, Perlengkapan: dokumentasi / manual, lihat gambar terlampir Ijdpfjya Urgsx Ag Rotd

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Kondisi: bekas, Tahun pembuatan: 2021, Fungsionalitas: berfungsi sepenuhnya, We are the official COBOT Partner of LORCH Sweisstechnik GmbH in Hungary. Itedpjwnc Aqofx Ag Rjd LORCH Cobot PushpullTIG + MIG/MAG DEMO Welding System (2-in-1) The system is used, previously operated as a DEMO unit. 2-in-1 system Can be used either as a MIG/MAG or TIG welding system. System includes: • UR 10CB 3 robotic arm • LORCH COBOT MIG/MAG welding system • LORCH COBOT PushPull TIG welding system • EN 14732 Cobot operator international certification (for 1 person, valid only in Hungary) • The Siegmund welding table is optional and not included in the price • The price does not include transport or training costs Please contact us for further details!

Kondisi: baru, Fungsionalitas: berfungsi sepenuhnya, COMPLETE CARE PACKAGE FOR YOUR WELDING AUTOMATION. Whether MIG-MAG or TIG. Would you like to automate your welding production using a cobot in order to tackle your challenges? Then Lorch Cobot Welding Solutions are precisely what you need! This perfectly coordinated package combines: • High-quality robotic technology from the market-leading cobot manufacturer Universal • Innovative welding technology from Lorch • Intuitive Lorch Cobotronic operating software • And a comprehensive service offering with optimal, professional support. This makes Lorch Cobot Welding Solutions a genuine all-inclusive package—available both for highly efficient MIG-MAG applications and for demanding TIG welding tasks. THE COBOT: EASILY INTEGRATED INTO YOUR WORKFLOWS. Thanks to lightweight design and integrated safety solutions, cobots can be deployed in direct interaction with human operators. With Lorch Cobot Welding Solutions, you receive a top-class collaborative welding robot featuring an ample reach, sufficient payload, low-maintenance technology, and mature engineering. Further advantages include: Itjdpfx Asruml Sjg Rod SIMPLE OPERATION. The cobot becomes an intuitive automation tool for your staff thanks to the touch display and user-friendly interface. HIGH PRODUCTIVITY. The basics of cobot welding are quickly grasped – a two-day training covers all aspects of commissioning, operation, and welding functionality. EASY PROGRAMMING. With the free-drive function, the cobot can be guided by hand to every weld location—including intermediate waypoints and sections. UNIQUE SOFTWARE FOR MAXIMUM CONVENIENCE AND EFFICIENCY. Lorch Cobotronic makes the difference. What fundamentally distinguishes the Lorch Cobot Welding Solutions from other cobot systems is optimized software. It is expertly tailored by our experienced welding specialists to the welding technology—delivering maximum ease of use and intuitive handling, boosting your production efficiency. The multi-talented Cobot UR10e. • 1,300 mm working radius • 12.5 kg payload • Ultra-compact footprint • Short payback time • Extensive plug & play accessories • Power sources: Lorch S5 RoboMIG XT or Lorch V30 RoboTIG AC/DC Point repeatability: 0.05 mm Degrees of freedom: 6 +/− Joint rotation: 360° Mains voltage: 230 V OPTIONAL: THE PERFECT ADD-ON: The Cobot Turn 100 A rotary tilt table ensures the optimal welding position during cobot welding at all times. Every weld seam position can be precisely specified in the program sequence. This leads to improved quality, increased productivity, enhanced flexibility, and saves valuable time—even for demanding welding tasks and rotary seams. MORE WORKSPACE AND MAXIMUM FLEXIBILITY: The Cobot Move linear axis is THE extension for further enlarging the cobot’s work envelope. The cobot remains highly precise—thanks to the high-quality ball screw unit in the Move linear axis, ensuring consistent weld quality across the entire workspace. THE AUTOPILOT FOR COBOTIC WELDING: Whereas every path must be manually specified and subsequently followed by the cobot in traditional programming, the Cobot SeamPilot autonomously determines its own route.

Kondisi: baik (bekas), Tahun pembuatan: 2019, Fungsionalitas: berfungsi sepenuhnya, tinggi total: 215 mm, lebar total: 130 mm, panjang total: 360 mm, berat keseluruhan: 7 kg, masa garansi: 12 bulan, jenis pendinginan: udara, tinggi produk (maks.): 10 mm, arus pengelasan pada siklus kerja 60%: 150 A, arus pengelasan pada siklus tugas 100%: 130 A, arus pengelasan (min.): 5 A, arus pengelasan (maks.): 200 A, - Inspected used equipment in excellent condition, directly from the manufacturer - - Multiple units available - MicorTIG 200 DC ControlPro (Accu-ready) TIG-DC welding inverter with MicorBoost technology (incl. gas management, high-frequency ignition, and electrode welding function). All-in technology for mains, generator, and battery operation. - "3 steps and weld" operation concept - Simple one-button control - Infinitely variable current adjustment - Ampere-accurate digital display - With graphical user guidance via OLED graphic display - Maximum customization thanks to detailed welding process control - Job memory for 10 welding tasks Current new price (02/2025): 2,277 € plus VAT Scope of delivery: Unit including detachable mains cable, shoulder strap, gas hose, and operating manual THE MicorTIG SERIES. THE POWER PACKS FOR MOBILE TIG WELDING. Whether for professional TIG welders or occasional users: The MicorTIG series from Lorch are the ultimate TIG units for assembly work as well as for the workshop—suitable for steel and stainless steel. Whether for production or repair, with or without a power socket on site: The MicorTIG series improves TIG welders’ results worldwide and makes their everyday routine easier. Quite literally: Weighing only 6.8 kg, you can easily take your Lorch MicorTIG welding machine anywhere—with accessories in the carrying case. Compact but powerful: Thanks to patented MicorBoost technology, these units deliver 200 amps from any standard socket. INTUITIVE OPERATION. Thanks to the ampere-precise digital display and clearly structured control panel, intuitive and highly precise operation is possible. Optionally available as well: graphic display operation concept. CONTACTLESS HF IGNITION. TIG ignition takes place contact-free via high-voltage pulses at the push of a button. Since the tungsten electrode does not touch the workpiece, no inclusions occur in the weld seam, and the electrode is preserved. PULSING AND FAST PULSING UP TO 5 kHz. The integrated pulse and fast pulse function up to 5 kHz is particularly suitable for working with thin welding sheets. It allows for outstanding control of the molten pool and perfect results—even with challenging welding tasks. JOB MEMORY FOR UP TO 10 WELDING TASKS. With the job function, you can store the parameters for up to 10 welding jobs and retrieve them quickly when needed. Recurring tasks are completed quickly and efficiently. Ijdpevxid Refx Ag Rjtd PERFECT FOR ELECTRODE WELDING. Lorch MicorTIG welding units are suitable for all electrode types and offer convenient preselection for CEL and standard electrodes. Even special electrodes are no problem. During welding, arc-force control ensures arc stability and perfect material transfer. The anti-stick system prevents sticking or annealing of the electrode. WITH MicorBoost TECHNOLOGY – UP TO 200 A FROM THE SOCKET. The patented MicorBoost technology provides tremendous voltage reserves and regulates the TIG arc exceptionally stably, controllably, and precisely—even with fluctuating mains voltage. This allows you to weld with up to 200 amps from any regular power outlet.

Kondisi: baru, Tahun pembuatan: 2025, Fungsionalitas: berfungsi sepenuhnya, jenis arus masuk: tiga fasa, masa garansi: 36 bulan, jenis pendinginan: udara, arus pengelasan pada siklus kerja 60%: 300 A, arus pengelasan pada siklus tugas 100%: 250 A, arus pengelasan (min.): 25 A, arus pengelasan (maks.): 350 A, en-Lorch MicorMig Mobile 350 25-350 AMP 380/400 Volt 100% duty cycle at 250A 60% duty cycle at 300A ControlPro control system Weight: 35KG Included: Lorch ML3600 4-meter welding torch, 4-meter 50mm² ground cable with clamp, gas hose, 1.0-1.2mm steel wire feed rollers, and 3-year warranty. Experience the new MicorMig Mobile. Visits by appointment only. Test welding possible. A video of the machine in welding operation is available. We deliver to countries such as Spain, Germany, Austria, Lithuania, Greece, and all other countries within and outside Europe using Euro pallets per transport. Iodpfx Agexrryko Retd All our machines have been serviced and are 100% ready for operation unless otherwise stated. The images above show the actual machine. We can also offer other machine types, such as: Used, New, MIG, MAG, CO2, TIG, Pulse, AC/DC, plasma, water-cooled, electrode. We offer the following brands: OTC, Migatronic, Lincoln, Miller, Fronius, Kemppi, Parweld, Tico, Lorch, Rehm, Selco, Carl Cloos, Cebora, Esab, Saf, EWM, ESS, Kemper. You always do business directly with Cjays Lastechniek and never with third parties.