Beli Wagner Mesin Bor Radial bekas (76.927)

Kondisi: baik (bekas), Tahun pembuatan: 1962, Radial arm drilling machine, pillar radial drilling machine, bench drilling machine, radial arm drill, high-speed radial drilling machine - Clamping table: 400 x 1100 mm - Arm reach: 930 mm - Spindle taper: MT4 - Motor power: 1.35/1.8 kW - Spindle speeds: 41-1700 rpm - Column diameter: Ø 200 mm - Spindle stroke: 125 mm - Thread cutting device: YES - Feed: 0.075 - 0.3 mm/rev Gisdoirax Uspfx Agrju - Dimensions: 1800/1235/H2240 mm - Weight: 1500 kg

Tahun pembuatan: 1955, Kondisi: bekas, Radial drilling machine, drilling machine, radial arm drilling machine Gisdpfsd Enr Isx Agrou - Arm reach: 2055 mm - Max. distance from machine table to spindle mount: 1700 mm - Taper: MT5 - Motor power: 7.5 kW - Speeds: 11.2–1400 rpm - Column diameter: Ø 450 mm - Spindle stroke: 540 mm - Thread cutting device - Automatic feed: 0.037–2.0 mm/rev - Clamping surface: 920 x 1600 mm - Dimensions: 2580/1110/H3450 mm - Weight: 6465 kg

Kondisi: baru, Drilling capacity in steel (diameter) 40.0 mm Thread cutting M30 Workpiece height – max. 380 – 785 mm Arm outreach 985 mm Spindle taper 4 MT Drill head swivels right/left -80 / +80 degrees Table surface 1210 x 520 mm Speed range 50 – 2000 rpm Column diameter 220 mm Table surface 1210 x 510 mm Quill stroke 200 mm Feed range – spindle 0.08 – 0.50 mm/rev Total power requirement 2.2 kW Machine weight approx. 2800 kg Space requirements approx. 2450 x 1200 x 2720 mm Features - Wide range of clamping and machining options due to design - Electrically driven height adjustment of the drill head without shifting the drilling position, ideal for deep hole drilling - Drill head swivels 180°, arm can be moved back and forth and swiveled horizontally - Thread cutting unit and 6 automatic drilling feeds included as standard - Large table surface (1195 x 500 mm) enables simultaneous clamping of multiple workpieces - Digital speed and drilling depth display included - Rapid drill head setup on the workpiece, clamping is hydraulic - Heavily ribbed column ensures high rigidity of the arm - Robust construction guarantees vibration-free operation Gsdpfjxaadyex Agrsiu - Infinitely variable electronic speed regulation as standard Scope of delivery - Electromagnetic spindle feed - Digital speed indicator - Digital drilling depth indicator - Electrically operated drill head adjustment - Initial filling with Shell Tellus 46 - Quick-release drill chuck 1 – 13 mm / B16 - Drill chuck arbor MT 4 / B16 - Reducing sleeves MT 4 / 3, 4 / 2, 3 / 1 - Thread cutting device - LED machine lamp - Coolant system - Height-adjustable safety guard

Kondisi: baru, Drilling capacity in steel (diameter): 32.0 mm Arm outreach: 310 - 820 mm Workpiece height - max.: 370 - 870 mm Spindle speed: 75 - 1220 rpm Spindle taper: MT 4 Base plate: 825 x 690 mm Thread cutting: M24 Quill stroke: 250 mm Quill feed: 0.1/0.16/0.25 mm/rev Travel X / Y: 500 / 510 mm Giodpfsxabrljx Agrou Total power requirement: 2.25 kW Machine weight approx.: 1,200 kg Dimensions (L x W x H): 1470 x 750 x 2100 mm Description - Excellent sliding properties of the boom thanks to the ground surface of the outer column - Mechanical locking mechanism for the swivel movement of the boom and the spindle head travel - Easy adjustment for stationary workpieces - Simple, central operation from the front of the machine - Electric height adjustment of the swivel arm - Optimal cutting speed thanks to the wide speed range - Thread cutting via spindle reversal - Smooth operation due to robust construction Scope of delivery - Cube table - Coolant system - LED machine lamp - Lifting motor - Height-adjustable safety guard - Operating key

Kondisi: baru, Drilling capacity in steel (diameter): 60.0 mm Arm reach: 350 - 1,600 mm Workpiece height – max.: 665 x 1,250 mm Speed range: 38 – 2,000 rpm Spindle taper: MT 5 Base plate: 960 x 1,760 mm Thread cutting: M42 Quill travel: 325 mm Total power requirement: 4.0 kW Machine weight approx.: 3,800 kg Dimensions (L x W x H): 2,600 x 1,100 x 2,770 mm Features: - Standard with stepless speed adjustment - Set speed is displayed digitally - Drill spindle with high concentricity accuracy - Equipped with automatic spindle brake - Arm, drill head, and column with independent hydraulic clamping - Large dimension base plate, ideal for machining large workpieces - Thick-walled, ground column for enhanced sliding properties of the arm - Easy height adjustment of the arm via lifting motor - Spindle position remains unchanged, ideal for series production - Using push buttons, drill head and column can be clamped or released separately or simultaneously - Hardened and ground guideways on the arm - Counterbalance for quill via counterweight - Ideal for drilling, countersinking, reaming, and thread cutting Giedjxaa H Ujpfx Agrou Scope of delivery: - Cube table - Drill chuck arbor MT 5 / B 16 - Reducing sleeves MT 5/4, MT 4/3, MT 3/2 - LED machine light - Initial fill with Shell Tellus 46 - Coolant system - Frequency converter - Digital speed display - Lifting motor - Hydraulic motor - Height-adjustable safety cover - Operating tools

Kondisi: baru, Drilling capacity in steel (diameter): 50.0 mm Arm reach: 350 - 1,590 mm Workpiece height - max.: 645 - 1,240 mm Spindle speed: 25 - 2,000 rpm Spindle taper: MT 5 Base plate: 980 x 1,600 mm Tapping up to: M42 Quill stroke: 320 mm Total power requirement: 4.0 kW Machine weight approx.: 3,500 kg Dimensions (LxWxH): 2,450 x 980 x 2,840 mm Description: - Large-dimensioned base plate - Ideal for machining large workpieces - Thick-walled, ground column for improved sliding characteristics of the arm - Arm and drill head with independent hydraulic clamping - Simple height adjustment of the arm via lifting motor - Ideal for drilling, countersinking, reaming, and tapping Gedpfxsxaad To Agroiu - Hardened and ground gears running in an oil bath - Excellent sliding properties of the drilling head on the arm due to ground surface Scope of delivery: - Cube table - Reducing sleeves MT 5/4, MT 4/3, MT 3/2 - LED machine lamp - Initial fill with Shell Tellus 46 - Coolant device - Lifting motor - Hydraulic motor - Operating tools - Height-adjustable protective cover

Kondisi: baru, Drilling capacity in steel (diameter): 50.0 mm Arm reach: 320 – 1,220 mm Workpiece height – max.: 330 – 1,170 mm Spindle speed: 25 – 2,000 rpm Spindle taper: MK 5 Base plate dimensions: 1,300 x 980 mm Tapping capacity: M42 Quill stroke: 335 mm Total power requirement: 4.0 kW Machine weight approx.: 3,000 kg Dimensions (L x W x H): 2,035 x 1,000 x 2,830 mm Equipment: - Large-dimension base plate, ideal for machining large workpieces Giedsxaaabopfx Agrou - Thick-walled, ground column for enhanced sliding properties of the arm - Arm and drill head with independent hydraulic clamping - Easy arm height adjustment via lifting motor - Ideal for drilling, countersinking, reaming, and tapping - Hardened and ground gears running in oil bath - Excellent sliding characteristics of the drill head on the arm due to ground surface Scope of delivery: - Cube table - Drill chuck arbor MK 5 / B 16 - Reducing sleeves MK 5/4, MK 4/3, MK 3/2 - LED machine lamp - Initial fill with Shell Tellus 46 - Coolant device - Lifting motor - Hydraulic motor - Operating tools - Height-adjustable safety guard

Kondisi: bekas, Tahun pembuatan: 1991, penjepit spindle: MK 4, Meja kerja 600mm x 1200mm Perjalanan lengan 600mm Pemasangan alat MK 4 Kapasitas bor 40mm pada baja Perangkat pengetapan ulir Perangkat pendingin Gijdpfxox N Ifte Agrsu Dokumentasi

Kondisi: baru, Tahun pembuatan: 2026, Fungsionalitas: berfungsi sepenuhnya, Radial drill hidrolik KAO MING baru, tahun pembuatan 2026. Spesifikasi: Jarak maksimal antara pusat spindel dan permukaan kolom: 1250 mm Jarak minimal antara pusat spindel dan pusat kolom: 360 mm Diameter kolom: 350 mm Tinggi kolom: 2685 mm Dimensi tapak dasar: 2035 x 840 mm Luas area lantai: 2335 x 1140 mm Tinggi dasar: 188 mm Pergerakan memanjang kepala spindel: 890 mm Pergerakan vertikal lengan: 700 mm Stroke spindel: 300 mm Koneksi spindel: MK5 Area kerja meja: 1393 x 820 mm Motor utama spindel: 3,7 kW (5 hp) Kecepatan spindel: 25–1310 rpm (12 langkah) Rentang feeding: 0,06 mm/rev hingga 1,12 mm/rev (12 langkah) Kapasitas bor besi cor: 60 mm Gsdpfxeykkhxj Agroiu Kapasitas bor baja FC20/S45C: 50 mm Berat: 3460 kg

Kondisi: bekas, Tahun pembuatan: 1991, Meja kerja 600mm x 1200mm Perjalanan lengan 600mm Giedjxpfgljpfx Agreu Pegangan alat MK 3 Kapasitas pengeboran 28mm pada baja Alat pembuat ulir Sistem pendingin Dokumentasi

Kondisi: hampir baru (bekas), Tahun pembuatan: 2021, Fungsionalitas: berfungsi sepenuhnya, kapasitas pengeboran: 40 mm, gores kuas bulu: 200 mm, diameter quill: 80 mm, Machine Specifications • Worktable 1800 x 600 mm with 4 T-slots • Arm travel 1050 mm • Drilling spindle SK 40 with tool clamping system • Infinitely variable speed programming • Infinitely variable quill feed via three-phase servo motor • 2 T-slots (18 mm) at the rear of the machine base • 2 T-slots (18 mm) on the left side of the machine base • Thread cutting device • Central lubrication • Coolant system • Machine lamp Godpfx Agsxn A Spsrsiu • CE marking • Safety guard • USB interface Dimensions and Travel Tool holder SK 40 Column diameter mm 195 Table dimensions mm 1800 x 600 Number of T-slots 4 Distance between T-slots mm 125 Quill stroke (Z-axis) mm 200 Column travel (W-axis) mm 410 Distance spindle underside - min mm 70 Table top max. mm 680 Distance spindle underside - min mm 970 Floor max. mm 1580 Drilling radius mm 540 - 1590 Working table height mm 900 Machining Capacity Drilling capacity solid St 60 Ø 40 GG 22 Ø 50 Thread cutting St 60 M 36 GG 22 M 42 Main Spindle Drive AC motor, frequency controlled kW 5.5 at 100% ED. Speed range: min-1 15 - 2800 Torque Nm max. 250 Constant from min-1 15 – 2000 Feed Drives X-axis - AC servo motor kW 0.25 Y-axis - AC servo motor kW 0.25 Z-axis - AC servo motor kW 4.50 W-axis - AC servo motor kW 2.50 Rapid traverse speeds (X/Y/Z): m/min 7.5 / 7.5 / 5 Rapid traverse speed (W): m/min 3 Feeds, infinitely variable mm/min 5 – 2000 Accuracy Positioning accuracy X-, Y-axis over 1200 mm mm ± 0.075 Electrical Data Operating voltage / frequency V / Hz 400 / 50 Control voltage V 24 Hydraulic unit for clamping kW 0.75 Total connected load kVA 13.0 Weight Danumeric 440 (without packaging) with table 1800 x 600 mm kg 2800 CNC Control Axes: 4 (X, Y, Z, W), expandable Processor: 32-bit CPU Screen: TFT flat display, backlit, clearly visible from all sides, 215 x 160 mm Position display: Cartesian or polar, absolute or incremental values Measuring unit: mm or inch / degrees Interpolation: 2 axes (X, Y) Technology Database: Tool management, tool suggestions according to machining process, material-dependent cutting data suggestions Tool management: max. 500 tools Subroutine technology: yes Machining Cycles Standard software options: Conversational programming, 38 zero point offsets, rotation and mirroring, teach-in for X, Y, Z, program restart with selection functions for targeted entry Zero point determination: Cycles for determining zero points by manually probing the workpiece for: - Freely mounted rectangular parts - Freely mounted round parts - Centering for cast and flame-cut parts - Angle position detection for round parts by probing reference edges/surfaces Test graphics: Graphical display of drilling patterns Data interfaces: USB

Kondisi: bekas, Tahun pembuatan: 1987, Meja kerja 750mm x 1200mm Pergerakan lengan 800mm Pemegang alat MK 3 Kapasitas bor 28mm pada baja Perangkat pemotong ulir Giodpfx Ajxpfhvsgrju Sistem pendingin Dokumentasi

Kondisi: siap digunakan (bekas), Tahun pembuatan: 2014, Fungsionalitas: berfungsi sepenuhnya, kedalaman pengeboran: 315 mm, kecepatan rotasi (maks.): 2.000 rpm, kedalaman tenggorokan: 1.600 mm, kapasitas pengeboran: 62 mm, diameter kolom: 350 mm, DETAIL TEKNIS Kapasitas pengeboran pada baja (diameter): 62 mm Pengeboran ulir pada baja (St 60): M46 Pengeboran ulir pada besi cor abu-abu (GG 20): M52 Kedalaman pengeboran maksimum: 315 mm Dimensi meja mesin: 2.400 x 1.000 x 200 mm Jarak lengan: 1.600 mm Gedpfxjxxrcxo Agrsiu Lintasan kepala bor (horizontal): 1.250 mm Lintasan vertikal lengan: 585 mm Diameter kolom: 350 mm Rentang kecepatan putar: 38 - 2.000 rpm Taper spindle: MK 5 Feed: 0,06 - 1 mm/putaran DETAIL MESIN Kebutuhan daya total: 5,5 kW Dimensi & Berat Ruang yang dibutuhkan: sekitar 2.490 x 1.050 x 2.780 mm Berat mesin: sekitar 3.800 kg

Kondisi: bekas, Drilling capacity in steel (diameter): 23 mm Spindle taper: MT 2 Spindle stroke: 130 mm Throat depth: approx. 860 mm Table size: 1280 x 500 mm Clamping surface: approx. 1250 x 480 mm Speed range: 115 – 2400 rpm Gijdpfowugrcex Agrsu Workpiece height – max.: approx. 535 mm Drill chuck: quick-action chuck 1–13 mm Machine weight: approx. 690 kg Total power requirement: 1 kW Dimensions (L x W x H): approx. 1300 x 1800 x 2100 mm Distance spindle centre – column centre (throat depth): approx. 860 mm Distance table–quill (workpiece height): max. 535 mm Adjustability of the boom, horizontal/vertical: approx. 300 – 400 mm

Kondisi: bekas, Tahun pembuatan: 1970, Radial drilling capacity in steel (diameter): 32 mm Arm reach: 1000 mm Maximum workpiece height: 1400 mm Total power requirement: 6 kW Machine weight: approx. 3,700 kg Space requirement: approx. [missing value] WEBO Radial drilling machine Model: BR 32 V Year of manufacture: approx. 1970 Serial no. _____ Drilling capacity in cast iron/steel (solid): max. 40 / 32 mm Gisdpfjt H Smyox Agreu Boring (with 50% pre-drilling): 60 / 80 mm Arm reach: approx. 1,000 mm Spindle taper: MT 4 Quill stroke: 350 mm Spindle speeds, 3 ranges/stepless: 60 - 1,850 rpm Base plate: 1,200 x 930 mm Installation height under the spindle: 200 - 1,400 mm Swivel radius: 360° Vertical adjustment of arm: 980 mm Horizontal movement of drilling saddle: 1,640 mm 9 feed rates: 0.06 – 1.0 mm/revolution Spindle drive: approx. 3 / 4 kW Total drive: 6 kW - 380 V – 50 Hz Weight: approx. 3.7 t Accessories / special equipment: • Manual mechanical clamping of arm and spindle box via hand lever • Automatic feed with depth stop via vernier • Stepless speed control within three gearbox ranges and two motor speeds, adjustable via hand lever • Right and left hand rotation • Electro-motorized vertical adjustment of the arm via cross switch • Ammeter for drilling motor • Coolant system with integrated coolant pump • Fixed drilling table, approx. 800 x 600 x 600 mm (height), vice, etc. Ideal machine for steel construction, toolmaking, and mechanical engineering! Condition: Older but good to very good – ready for demonstration Delivery: ex stock – as inspected Payment: strictly net – upon receipt of invoice

Kondisi: siap digunakan (bekas), Tahun pembuatan: 1978, Drilling capacity Ø 50 mm, table size 1000x1640 mm, spindle taper MT-5, quill stroke 400 mm, quill diameter 80 mm, arm reach 1600 mm, max. installation height (table to quill) 1600 mm, 21 speeds 20-2000 rpm, geared head, motor 4 kW, dimensions 2700x1100x3430 mm, approx. 4800 kg, with coolant system, double cube 800x800x800 mm, hydraulic clamping. Gedpfx Agsd Sw N Aorsiu

Kondisi: baru, Tahun pembuatan: 2026, Radial Drill RD 700 VARIO is built on a robust column-type construction providing stability and vibration resistance. The radial arm allows precise positioning of the drill head within a range of 300 to 700 mm from the column, while the 130 mm quill stroke ensures convenient drilling in a single setup. Key Components - Spindle: Morse Taper MT3 with drawbar, stepless speed adjustment, maximum drilling capacity 32 mm. - Feed System: Automatic spindle feed with three ranges, integrated tapping mode. - Main Motor: 1.5 kW power, 400 V supply, suitable for continuous operation. - Table and Base Plate: Cubic worktable 250×250×250 mm and working surface 900×620 mm with T-slots. Precision and Performance Gjdpfx Agjyccn Uorsiu Thanks to stepless speed adjustment and digital parameter indicators, the RD 700 VARIO delivers high machining accuracy and repeatability. Automatic feed and tapping mode reduce cycle times, while the rigid frame minimizes vibrations, supporting longer tool life. Applications The RD 700 VARIO CORMAK radial drill is suited for mechanical workshops, tool rooms, production facilities, and maintenance departments. Ideal for processing steel components, welded structures, machine parts, and industrial elements. Standard Equipment - Cubic worktable - Base - Drill chuck 3–16 mm / B18 - MT3 / B18 arbor - MT3 / MT2 reducing sleeve - Coolant system - Tapping mode - Digital spindle speed display - Digital drilling depth readout - Adjustable height guard - Basic tool kit - Safety guards - Complete technical documentation in Polish - CE certificate Technical Specifications Parameter Value Maximum drilling capacity 32 mm Maximum tapping capacity M22 Spindle taper MT 3 Minimum spindle speed 75 rpm Maximum spindle speed 2500 rpm Spindle speed adjustment Stepless (75–438 / 438–2500) Automatic spindle feed range (3) 0.08 / 0.14 / 0.22 mm/rev Spindle-to-column distance 300 – 700 mm Spindle-to-table distance 0 – 430 mm Spindle-to-base distance 175 – 680 mm Vertical head travel (arm) 505 mm Horizontal drill head travel 400 mm Quill stroke 130 mm Column diameter 150 mm Cubic table size 250 × 250 × 250 mm Base working surface 900 × 620 mm Motor power 1.5 kW Supply voltage 400 V Dimensions – width 1220 mm Dimensions – depth 640 mm Dimensions – height 1750 mm Weight approx. 722 kg

Kondisi: bekas, Tahun pembuatan: 1974, Jangkauan maks.: 2000 mm Jangkauan min.: 405 mm Kapasitas bor pada baja (diameter): 65 mm Kapasitas bor pada besi cor: 80 mm Taper spindle: MK 5 Kedalaman bor dalam satu kali jalan: 475 mm Penyesuaian vertikal lengan: 875 mm Gjdpfx Agew Id Ersreiu Luas area penjepit pelat dasar: 2455 x 1100 mm Kecepatan spindle: 19 - 1320 rpm Feeding: 0,07 – 2,9 mm/putaran Daya total yang dibutuhkan: 10 kW Berat mesin sekitar 8 t Dengan meja blok.

Kondisi: baru, Tahun pembuatan: 2026, Large and stable radial drilling machine with a wide speed range, ensuring precise and fast machining. Machine Features - Heavyweight and rigid machine construction guarantee stable and vibration-free operation - Cubic table enables easy alignment and securing of the workpiece - Motorized arm height adjustment - Control panel located at the front of the machine for greater efficiency and ergonomic operation - Ground column surface ensures smooth, easy, and precise arm movement - Drill equipped with manual head and column arm locking - Wide speed range for precise and efficient machining Giodpfsi D Da Aex Agrou Technical Specifications MAXIMUM DRILLING DIAMETER – 35 mm (cast iron); 30 mm (steel) DISTANCE SPINDLE AXIS – COLUMN – 360 – 1300 mm DISTANCE SPINDLE AXIS – TABLE SURFACE – 260 – 1300 mm SPINDLE TRAVEL – 200 mm SPINDLE TAPER – MT4 NUMBER AND RANGE OF SPINDLE SPEEDS – (6): 75, 130, 240, 380, 660, 1200 rpm NUMBER AND RANGE OF FEEDS – (3): 0.10; 0.16; 0.25 mm/rev VERTICAL ARM TRAVEL SPEED – 1.3 m/min ARM ROTATION – 360 degrees MAIN MOTOR POWER – 2.2 kW LIFT MOTOR POWER – 0.75 kW WORKTABLE DIMENSIONS – 510 x 380 x 305 mm MACHINE DIMENSIONS – 800 x 1800 x 2150 mm WEIGHT – 1,400 kg Standard Equipment - B16 drill chuck (3–16 mm) - Arbor for B16/MT4 drill chuck - MT4/MT3 reducing sleeve - Drift key The price given is NET (excluding VAT). The price does not include transport costs. For further information, please contact us by phone or email. We invite you to view our full offer on our website.

Kondisi: siap digunakan (bekas), 20240614-1 Giedpfxeykut Sj Agrju

Kondisi: bekas, Tahun pembuatan: 1960, 1 Giodpfxex Ik Uno Agrsu

Kondisi: bekas, Tahun pembuatan: 1969, de-001 Giodpfsx H Txtex Agreu

Kondisi: siap digunakan (bekas), Speed: 37–1900 rpm, on-site inspection is possible. Gijdpfsqvnmfjx Agreu

Kondisi: diremaj di bengkel (bekas), Tahun pembuatan: 1988, Fungsionalitas: berfungsi sepenuhnya, Diese Radialbohrmaschine 2A576 wurde komplett überholt und auf volle Produktionskapazität restauriert. Technische Grunddaten: Giedpfeur H I Nex Agreu Bohrerdurchmesser: in Stahl 80 mm / in Guss 100 mm Vorschubweg des Bohrkopfes im Ausleger: 2000 mm Maximaler Bohrungsradius: 2500 mm Spindelhub: 500 mm Spindelaufnahme: ISO50 Stufenlose Einstellung des Spindelvorschubs Spindeldrehzahlbereich: 2–1600 U/min Säulendurchmesser: 500 mm Motorleistung Hauptantrieb: 7,5 kW Abmessungen L/B/H: 4.180/1.280/4.125 mm Gewicht: 12 t Diese Bohrmaschine erfüllt die Mindestanforderungen an Sicherheit und Gesundheitsschutz gemäß der Richtlinie 2009/104/EG, bekannt als "Arbeitsmittelrichtlinie". Die Maschine ist anschlussfertig und kann in unserem Lager in Zentralpolen unter Strom besichtigt werden.

Kondisi: perlu perbaikan (bekas), Fungsionalitas: fungsi terbatas, jenis arus masuk: AC (pendingin udara), lebar total: 905 mm, panjang total: 2.160 mm, tinggi total: 2.500 mm, kedalaman tenggorokan: 1.200 mm, Dijual mesin bor duduk Caser lengkap dengan aksesori: Ruang lingkup pengiriman: -Blok penjepit -Meja silang -Ragum Kondisi / Fungsi: -Mesin pada dasarnya berfungsi -Cacat: Penguncian lengan tidak berfungsi lagi -Kemungkinan penyebab: masalah pada katup hidrolik -Semua fungsi lainnya berjalan sesuai harapan Gjdpfx Ajyhmkkegrsiu Catatan: -Dijual sebagaimana adanya -Ideal untuk hobiis, perbaikan, atau pengambilan suku cadang Tidak ada garansi atau pengembalian Harga: Nego Pengambilan: diutamakan, pengiriman bisa didiskusikan